CHAIRPERSON: The first matter on our roll this morning, is the attack on the house of Scheepers Morudi, which was adjourned till today to enable there to be, if there were to be any cross-examination of the applicant Van de Wall by Mr Visser, I think it would have been - Wagener is it?
MR WAGENER: Good morning Mr Chairman, I appear on behalf of Gen Stemmet in this matter without the assistance of my learned friend, Mr Visser. Sorry we were under the impression that we were going to start with the other matter, so can I just put this on record, Gen Stemmet is not presently available here. I asked my colleague, Mr Nieman what was the evidence of Mr Van de Wall yesterday and he gave me the evidence in a broad sense. Amongst others he told me that the date of the incident has apparently now been changed or amended to the beginning of 1987. That was what I was told.
CHAIRPERSON: Well, the other witnesses testified to that date and Mr Van de Wall said well, he must accept it, he can't really remember.
MR WAGENER: And I was also told that his evidence regarding my client was simply that my client said to him Mr Van de Wall, words to the effect, "die man moet skrikgemaak word", more or less as it is in the application and nothing more. So, if that is common cause that that was his evidence, I have here in my possession an affidavit on behalf of Gen Stemmet which I would beg leave to hand up to you. I am not sure what the exhibit number would be.
CHAIRPERSON: A.
MR WAGENER: But whatever the number, the gist of the affidavit, I don't think it is necessary for me to read the affidavit into the record, I will merely hand it up but the gist of the affidavit is the following that he said that he was given notice in terms of Section 19(4), regarding the application of Mr Van de Wall, he denies that he was involved in this matter in any way whatsoever. He also states in the affidavit that he saw that other applicants referred to this incident as the beginning of 1986, he put on record that at that stage he was not even in Pretoria, but I assume that that part now falls away, because as far as I can remember, he was in fact, I think he came to Pretoria at the end of 1986, so that point then actually falls away, although it is in his affidavit. The other aspect that he raises in the affidavit, I think also falls away, he said that as far as he knows, Brigadier Cronje was not even in the Police any longer at the end of 1987 when he was supposedly involved in the matter. Those two aspects raised in the affidavit, I think has been dealt with in the sense ...
CHAIRPERSON: Well, Mr Wagener I think I can speak on behalf of all the members of the Committee, that we do not consider it in this matter necessary to make any findings in regard to your client.
MR WAGENER: Well, in that instance, Mr Chairman, then I have no questions for anyone of the other applicants, but I will ask to hand up the affidavit only, thank you.
CHAIRPERSON: Thank you. Gentlemen, subject to anything that you may wish to say, we do not think it necessary to hear you in argument in this matter.
MR ALBERTS: Thank you Mr Chairman, might I just be permitted to hand up a brief set of Heads once again, which is almost customary by this stage. The schedule there specifies the offence Mr Chairman, and delicts in respect of which amnesty is sought. I then have nothing further to add, thank you Mr Chairman.
MR NIEMAN: Mr Chairman, may Brigadier Van de Wall be excused? Thank you.
