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A-Team (OFS)Explanation MR SMITH: Not with the investigating team. The more junior officers, essentially the task team under the leadership of De Kock, believed that they had no choice but to execute the functions allocated to them. They certainly had no intention of disobeying an order from De Kock for fear of the possible repercussions. They had nothing to do ... MR HATTINGH: And Mr Nortje, was he the leader of that team? MR LOOTS: It was known that they didn't often stay for more than one evening at a specific place, for the night and this was information was of great value for the Security Branch. Take Five and Sadie Pule were members of the Special Operations Group of the ANC and they regularly sent weapons ... Where things really went wrong was in the workplace. I remember we had to just do hard labour and during my life there I worked in two quarries, I worked at the Landbouspan (Agricultural Team) and I worked at a job that I didn’t like, taking out seaweed because sometimes that stuff was rotten, so ... MR HATTINGH: And it was put to you, if I recall correctly, I have not studied this again, but I recall that we consulted with a lady who was a member of the investigating team who investigated that murder and robbery, do you recall that? MR TAYLOR: No, Mr Chairperson, this did not happen. I just have to think, they only time that I was approached with regard to this matter was just after - in the beginning of 1986 I was approached by a Colonel Jonker for the Special Investigation Team and there was another person, I don’t know ... PANEL MEMBER: (...indistinct) I just wanted to know if you have (...indistinct) it will come in we have just (...indistinct) about (...indistinct) all the mental health team. I'm also concerned about the relationship. It's not good enough to say the psychologists will be professionally controlled. ... MR DE KOCK: No, not directly but by means of the legal team it has emerged that he did disappear with a firearm. MR MADONSELA: We decided to kill him because he was part of the soccer team and that he was one of the people who attacked our brothers, including myself. MR WAGENER: Mr Chairman, briefly what happened is a legal team was appointed to represent the then Minister of Law and Order as he was, the Commissioner of the South African Police and in essence the command structure of the police. I as an Attorney was involved in that team, we instructed ... This is a crucial document, this document it is then said was taken to the police. On arrival with - and that is what I’m trying to discover, without apparently any other communication the team was simply chased away with the police referring to the affidavit that this team has now come to hand ... MR BERGER: You talk about catching a flight to Frankfurt. On arrival at Frankfurt I saw the rest of the team. We all managed to get on the same flight to South Africa. CHAIRPERSON: ...(inaudible) this matter now. At a convenient time would you make whatever documents you may have to Mr Hugo and see whether you can collate those documents and see whether they tie up with the sequential numbering of the documents that were supposed to have been in the docket. And ... MR DE KOCK: No, not directly but by means of the legal team it has emerged that he did disappear with a firearm. And then in 21 I ask for approval in principle for action 1 or then alternatively for courses 2 and 3. And then I also ask if such approval is granted, that it is suggested that a team be assembled to give details to this plan, because this plan wasn't written for execution but it was written ... Secondly, with regard to the practice of tying bodies to Casspirs, bounty was indeed collected by the team, but he never shared in the spoils. ADV DE JAGER: If I understand you correctly, as soon as the political deed was committed, for example a policeman's house had been burnt down and it was, the political will was manifested the - or for example where a person would be murdered or a house would be set alight, the investigators or the ... MR PRETORIUS: What was noticeable, just for your information Chairperson, was that the messages that came from Botswana to tactical headquarters and then went out from tactical headquarters to the operatives on the ground was all in code. In other words, it was not: "we stopped before house number ... I was transferred to Guguletu during June, that would have been towards the end of June, late June 1986 and took over command of a task team assigned to investigate the violence from Captain Loocke. |
