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A-Team (OFS)Explanation ADV BOOYENS: I then asked Captain van Zyl to compile a team and to plan how we were going to go over to the action of elimination. I believe that we also discussed this, that the perception had to be created that they had left the country and I can remember that we arranged that the vehicle was to ... MR KRUSER: That's what I thought happened at that stage when I did the statement. This statement was done at the time of preparation for the inquest and I was advised by my legal team that this statement is sufficient for me to apply for amnesty and I subsequently did so. "Foreign Affairs refers to the success which has been achieved in recent times regarding the Lesotho matter, by a small high level project team consisting of RSA officials." MR MADONSELA: We decided to kill him because he was part of the soccer team and that he was one of the people who attacked our brothers, including myself. MR WILLEMSE: The question is that I should briefly explain what my career was with SAA. I was asked to transfer to SAA during 1979. At that stage I was a member of the legal advisors team and was known then as the South African Railways and Harbours and I fulfilled a very specific role there. I ... MR BERGER: You talk about catching a flight to Frankfurt. On arrival at Frankfurt I saw the rest of the team. We all managed to get on the same flight to South Africa. PANEL MEMBER: (...indistinct) I just wanted to know if you have (...indistinct) it will come in we have just (...indistinct) about (...indistinct) all the mental health team. I'm also concerned about the relationship. It's not good enough to say the psychologists will be professionally controlled. ... MR WAGENER: Mr Chairman, briefly what happened is a legal team was appointed to represent the then Minister of Law and Order as he was, the Commissioner of the South African Police and in essence the command structure of the police. I as an Attorney was involved in that team, we instructed ... MR TAYLOR: No, Mr Chairperson, this did not happen. I just have to think, they only time that I was approached with regard to this matter was just after - in the beginning of 1986 I was approached by a Colonel Jonker for the Special Investigation Team and there was another person, I don’t know ... ADV SIGODI: And were you part of the - I mean from your evidence I understand that you were part of the team that was investigating Mr Bhila? MR RAUTENBACH: You testified, and I'll use your statement, you indicated - I'm just looking for the correct paragraph, you refer to the team spirit between the government and the security branch and the so-called blind loyalty between the security branch and the government. As far as that is ... CHAIRPERSON: Now Mr Ras testified here yesterday and I attempted to determine the same thing from him and he says that he decided when you were already at the house and that man came out, he decided "we need another plan", and then I asked him whether or not he discussed this with Mr de Kock ... MR BELLINGHAN: Mr Chairman, I've been involved in various legal forums in the time since I left the South African Police. In respect of the Amnesty Committee, this is my fourth legal team. I've had changes for various reasons which I don't want to go into over here. It's entirely possible that ... CHAIRPERSON: Mr Coetser, just to help you out here. I think this applicant has been represented by a team that must rank with one of the more experienced amnesty application teams and if there's at the end of the day a possibility that you're going to have to argue that there was an intervening ... MR BERGER: Were you part of the team that okayed this telex? MR BOSCH: Yes, we were a large team going in the evening. All I want to know is that on occasions you will alternate driving, in that Mr Dube or Mr Mbane or yourself would drive a motor vehicle on a specific operation. You were not the only driver in that team, is that correct? MR BOOYENS: Now, then Mr - let's get back to the operation itself, at page 136, the second paragraph, you said, refer there to the fact that Col de Kock suggested a team to you? "... As such incidents took place throughout the period 1985 - 1989, I am unable to furnish this honourable Committee any details of victims who were interrogated, nor the dates, times and places of such interrogation. We were instructed by our superior Officer, Warrant Officer Kruger, to conduct ... CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR LALLA: No, I think it's more for comment. I want to state that Mr Greyling, on the night that I was tortured, yes he did fetch a pump. Whether I suffered from asthma it's another story, but under doctor's advice from Mr Botha, he did fetch a pump and on the same night Mr ... |
