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ANC campsExplanation ... later on that he was present as well as Mkhononodaka Gumede. They were all there and they convened a meeting before then and they used to have camps at his house before launching attacks. It is the deceased's house. They used to ... ... The very perpetrators, did you have any kind of idea who could those be? --- With help that I was rendered, and especially from the refugee camps, those who witnessed, it ultimately was clear that some people were disclosing that they were being attacked by Inkatha, and the leaders of ... ... At night, prior to the day when we will march, I think it was about 3 a.m. before that particular march, we heard some noise around the squatter camps. People seemed to be marching around. As early as five I woke up, I took a shower, and at six I went to work, at TPA. I boarded a truck, I ... ... Committee, Mr Mwesi Twala, who said that Mr Chris Hani, leader of the SA Communist Party did nothing about the torture of ANC prisoners in ANC camps outside South Africa, even though he saw it ... ... before and my involvement in the Trevits section, the Counter-Revolutionary Task Team, the purpose thereof was primary and that was to identify the ANC structures in the neighbouring States, and the purpose was to establish structures as to how the ANC appeared in the neighbouring States in terms ... MR SINGH: Yes, with the squatter camps next door. And then the people that stay in this camp are the same people that went with the sticks and stones and bush knives at the service station and fought with those friends of mine, Joe and Isaac, IFP members. Because of that the senior man says that ... MR GULENI: Our fear was that the attack in town would alarm the local police as well the special force, that is T.T.F. camps that were there and that will give problems because we'll end up fighting with the forces, not fighting with the target. He underwent extensive military training. After that training and before the training he was in the military camps in Angola, military camps of the ANC. He served in those structures. He was then moved to the neighbouring country, Mozambique and Swaziland and he functioned in Swaziland when ... ... you, Mr Bolane. What we will try and do from our sideis try and investigate the matter to the extent that it's possible. We alsounderstand that the ANC will be coming with their own submission, where theyintend to deal with a lot of issues that happened in some of the camps, andwith a bit of luck ... MR WILLS: Is it not so that one of your jobs in Tanzania, at camp in Tanzania, was to check the food that was being fed to the comrades in the camps, as you feared it was being poisoned by agents? MR FRANCIS: Mr De Kock, I can probably understand, not that I condone, I can probably understand I think before 1990 when there was still a political war that took place, when there was a need, I think to go to the so-called terrorist camps and fight a war there, but this was two years after the ... ... biography. That biography was almost mean, I suppose, for those purposes and for the purposes of the ANC knowing who all the people were in the ANC ... One must guard against the selective morality of the winner. The British force's establishment of the first concentration camps in the world during the Anglo-Boer war in which innocent women and children were incarcerated and died by the tens of thousands is not considered as the precursor to the ... ... to comprehend your explanation on what really sparked the violence but you've tried to explain that there were two camps, one belonging to the ANC and the other one belonging to the IFP. Now in relation to how you have described those two camps, where was your grandfather ... And the entire ANC would have been destroyed by these 200 members, of which about 100 did counter-mobilization in offices? Is that what you're saying? --- If you may remember from yesterday, Madlanduna, who was my commander then, did say that according to his knowledge the training was still ... ... that Myeni had left Eshowe and gone to the Mlaba Camp to undergo training with other - because I know that the Mlaba Camp and the Mkuze Camp were camps where IFP youth were trained to use weapons. Is that right? --- During that time that's exactly what happened, but by then I was staying ... MR MPANZA: We normally met with Papani at training camps, so I explained to him at one of those occasions. However at the time I did not inform him who was going to accompany me on the mission, I was just requesting firearms from him at the time. ... told them that they were around, there were some in town, but it is difficult to do something like that in town, because there were police and the camps, military camps, were there at the time, therefore the action would actually reach the ears of the police and it would actually disturb us from ... ... heard over these many months that we have been sitting has been between two parties who were diametrically opposed to each other, the IFP or the ANC, the Security Branch and the UDF, things like that. Every now and then we have come across cases where people or organisations who have very ... ... for holding meetings at his home, calling on people to stay away from work and he held a top position in the ANC. He also travelled overseas to ANC camps in Swaziland, Mozambique, reporting to them on the state of affairs in South ... |
