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askariExplanation ... Yes Chairperson, I also realised that and I thought back to what Nortje had told me. They sent in Mosiane, they tried to lure him by means of an askari. An askari is not a person who presents himself as a terrorist, he is a person who is a terrorist, he was a terrorist before, and Japie ... MR HATTINGH: You were never an askari, you were a policeman from the beginning, is that correct? Rifle Mbatha, SADF, Const Vilakazi, CIS Secretary Branch, Nelspruit, Jerry Dlamini, SADF, Alfeus Mondlane, SADF Nelspruit, ...(indistinct) Masego an askari, Sgt Lynn, SAP, CIS Nelspruit, Const Hlope, SAP, CIS Komatipoort, Lucky Sambo, SADF, Major van Jaarsveld, SAP CIS, Nelspruit, Col van Zyl, ... MR JANSEN: Why for example, did you not send in an example to move around in the vicinity of the house, one of the black members or an Askari to patrol in the vicinity of the house? Mr de Kock, I am representing Daniel Nkala. I believe that he was an askari at the Vlakplaas unit. MR CORNELIUS: And then finally, you would agree that if the information had been disclosed by an askari, for example the names and identities of askaris, their addresses, registration numbers of their vehicles, that could endanger Vlakplaas. ... down and they phoned others. They said, today we found the terrorist. There was also a person who was there by the name of Sam. They said he's and Askari and Sam said it is better to - you must - you had better tell them where are the guns, or else you won't live long. I said to them, I'm not in ... Mosiane testified that he was carrying out an order from his superior when he burnt the Sacred Heart Church Hall and believed that he was acting to protect the previous regime which he, as an askari, was defending at the relevant time during the current political conflict. CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR VISSER: Thank you Mr Chairman. Mr Ramatala, I'm just interested to know, in 1987 were you an askari or were you a policeman? "At a later stage an askari, Jimmy Mbane, informed us that he had arranged that the Kubheka woman would be brought to us at the old Railway Police shooting range near Winkelspruit." MS SOOKA: Mr Dempsey did you know that Temba Mbatha, rather I should ...(tape ends) was an askari? So this thing made me to be very much suspicious that there might be a relationship between these two people but then I also had some reservations about Temba’s information since I got the information that he is a very dangerous person and he is also an Askari. CHAIRPERSON: That had failed already. You knew that, didn't you? He had gone through nine months of this, had been released as an askari, had been abducted and then rejoined the ANC. So the so-called control that you had over him on the first occasion had collapsed completely. CHAIRPERSON: I take it if somebody had - if an askari had reverted and had then come back to try to infiltrate you, it would be important to find out as much as you could about what he had told anybody, who he had associated with and matters of that nature. ... people were going to be shot at and he would even tell me not to go there because I was going to be hurt and then he would take a newly recruited askari and leave me behind, a person who has experience, and try to protect me. Meaning that he did not care, he did not bother about the lives of ... MR JANSEN: Joe Mamasela is probably the askari or the person who had the closest knowledge of the individuals and the structures within Botswana, is that correct? MR GROBBELAAR: One day he told me that he had received a report from a new Askari that he had met a certain Musi. Apparently Musi has asked Mfalapitsa to assist him and some of his Cosas friends with the supply of weapons and weapons training because it was their intention to murder W/A Nkosi who ... ... was trained overseas. I think that in the murder docket there would also have been a statement which would have explained this, about a so-called askari who received a statement that he had been trained ... ... opportunity to rehabilitate. So in the experience of the Amnesty Committee it would appear as if his perception was closer to the perception of an askari or a policeman, but definitely not that of an informer in the traditional sense of the ... ... that its not only Nkosi that was relevant to the decision, Chairperson, what was also relevant was the position and the safety of Mfalapitsa as an Askari informer. And he came and in his evidence he confirmed that. He said he doesn’t know what might have happened to him if his identity had ... |