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askariExplanation ... of Mr Klopper, Mr Bellingan, who was also a member of Vlakplaas, was also involved in that assault, and that Mr Mabotha was further assaulted by Askaris from Vlakplaas at Soweto, I submit, Mr Chairman, that it is highly improbable that Mr de Kock would have agreed to accept him back. ... CHAIRPERSON: Did you know he had been an askari? MR DE KOCK: No, because the Intelligence which was gathered from within the unit and also from some of the other Security Branches later, who had reported via their informers that the askari had most probably used the weapon in an offence or had fired at someone and then disposed of the weapon. MR BELLINGAN: There could perhaps be another name added there. I think Sergeant Nobelo or Constable Nobelo was also in this group, he might have been present. He was a South African Police member, he was not an askari. ... there are some things I do not understand, please assist me. Your group abducts this man in the hope that you can convince him to become an askari, let us say in order to assist you and to supply you with information and one of two things can happen, he can say yes or he can say no, if he ... However one would like to put it and I say this with compassion, because not everybody is equally strong, a white Askari or a black Askari, was a traitor to his people or his group, or that which he believed in. I feel this within myself as well. askari who drove reported to him that the mechanical condition of ANSWER:: Mr Chairman on the farm with me was an askari, Ernest Ramathlala, a Lesotho citizen who was responsible for the first attack attempt on the life of Chris Hani. He together with David Tshikalanga, Almond Nofomela and Joe Mamasela and there might be others, approached me for a loan of R5 ... "... he said that the askari had reported that his firearm had been stolen, but that he had already been suspected of re-establish liaison with the ANC." The things that they promised to you that were so nice, why were they promising those? --- They promised me that if I will be an askari then I will have a house, and also sell my organisation. I said yes to them because my mum and my family were not treated well, were not in a good state. You ... MR HATTINGH: Were you told whether this person was an askari, a so-called askari? "After we had returned from Badplaas and arrived at the canteen, one of the askaris who lived on the farm came into the canteen and said he had been robbed of his weapon in a shebeen. It was clear that this askari, Pumela Moses Ntehelang, known as Bruce, was drunk. He was also being quite cocky. ... MR JANSEN: Were you referred to as an askari at that stage? CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR MOHLABA: Thank you Mr Chairman, I've got a few questions, on the question of askaris. Mr De Kock, there were two options for the askaris, it was to cooperate with the Security or to face prosecution. Would you be able to tell this Committee, what was your attitude when an ... an askari? ... And persuade him to become an informant wasbecause he had committed terrorist deeds. I don't understandthat in the light of what constitutes an Askari. These are peoplewho were part of the struggle, they were involved in terror deeds,but they were interrogated and they were persuaded to ... MR VISSER: And now it is stated who he was. He is an askari. So, now with all due respect Mr Maharaj, what would have been the point of Botha or Wasserman or anyone else to try to conceal that evidence from Security Headquarters? MR LAX: Sorry, of the - is it the Askari Unit? MR KLOPPER: At a stage it came to my knowledge that he had been an askari who had defected and that allegedly he had returned to the ANC and he had contact with Winnie Mandela. MR BENZIEN: Sergeant Bellingham was a member of the South African Police Security Branch who from time to time, came to Cape Town with members or with Black members of I understood it to be rehabilitated or the word was used, rehabilitated or askari policemen. |