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Cradock FourExplanation MR NIEWOUDT: As far as my white colleagues are concerned, I was the lowest in rank in my particular section, and even as far as the Security Branch in Port Elizabeth as a whole is concerned, it was the Commanding Branch of the entire Eastern Cape, Cradock, Grahamstown and Uitenhage. Coming to the campaigns we embarked on against the then government, there were places like Rini, small towns like Grahamstown, Cradock, etcetera, we used to go to such places and told people what they could do and told them how we could help them as doctors. We used to treat victims in these small ... ... answer, and some other white policemen unknown to me, yes. Mr Potgieter, and that vehicle went with you so there were three vehicles that went to Cradock, Mr Mamasela, to Cradock. Mr Potgieter, so Du Plessis was present when the deceased were transported from Port Elizabeth to the old police ... ... five years. After his release he was under house arrest for six years for being a member of an unlawful organisation and then he was stationed at Cradock. After that he was starting with UNISA and then he came a graduate who has passed a Law Degree and then there was a problem to get him ... MR BOOYENS: Did you go to Cradock? ADV BOOYENS: You state that two people drove the bakkie, the best part of the way towards Cradock, is that correct? Two unknown whites? MR NIEUWOUDT: If I have to speculate on this, it could have been where I did not see it, when they were transported from the airport to Cradock by the Askaris. When I saw them at Cradock at Post Chalmers, their heads were not covered. And with regard to the assaults - while I was busy with one ... ADV BOOYENS: And at Cradock, you and Lotz? CRADOCK HEARING TRC/EASTERN CAPE ... in the location. They wanted a flag, there said there was a Russian flag in Goniwe's funeral. We ran away from our place, we ran away from Cradock to Port Elizabeth. We also found that in P.E. there was a battle between AZAPO and UDF. We also ran from there to another farm, that is ... CRADOCK HEARING TRC/EASTERN CAPE CRADOCK HEARING TRC/EASTERN CAPE MR WESSELS: Did you grow up in the Cradock area? CRADOCK HEARING TRC/EASTERN CAPE MR KOOLE: My answer was that I am not able to ascertain the date but it's before we came to Cradock for the first time when I heard about the PEBCO 3. Mr de Lange came to the room, the other two policemen and asked me questions in relations to the PEBCO 3 incident. Then he instructed me the ... On Wednesday, one police lorry came and we were transferred to Cradock. We asked them where are you taking us, they said we are taking you to a place where you've never been. MR THALE: Mr Yali you stay at Cradock? How long have you been staying there? MR KOOLE: This statement is the statement that I made to Mr de Lange after we had come to Port Elizabeth and Glen Connor as well as Cradock. He called me and said to me I should come to his office to make another statement and that is the statement that stands in front of me. He further testified that they indeed followed a day or two later and asked Major Winter, the station commander at Cradock to show them the way to Post Chalmers. This was denied by Winter and the Applicant conceded that he had made a mistake and that it was an ordinary member of the police, ... At one stage I was in Cradock. People in Cradock will tell you this. At the ring of a telephone we would be there as reporters to report whatever was going on. I was their pillar as a reporter. I would report everything. I hope I have answered your question. |
