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MR BOOYENS: Just a further aspect, I’d like to take you back to - yesterday you testified to the fact of how you stopped the people at Olifants Pass. The identification of these four persons, how was this done?

of the questions which you want answered will also be answered. But thank you for coming, and as soon as we have more information we will certainly pass that on to you. Thank ...

MR RICHARD: Now did you - were you lucky on the first pass?

ADV BOSMAN: To who, to who did they pass on the information?

MR SAMBO: As I was standing there, I saw a car going, pass by and it came back again. They came and they entered my home. As I was there next to the car, I thought maybe that they are people from the garages, then I approached them. I got Mr van der Spuy next to the BMW opening the doors, the ...

... to a policeman, means he must now hand him over to some other body, or do you think it means Botha will continue to get the information and he will pass the information on to de ...

DR RANDERA: David welcome. David before I pass you over to my colleague, Tom Manthata, could you please stand and take the oath.

ADV DE JAGER: Did they visit him in the room or did they only pass along?

... in front, the hippos were behind, and more police lorries and Landrovers and so forth, and each person got out to go about their duties. I then passed these policemen. Most of the ambulance drivers went to the right-hand side because some of the people fell in something that's in like a ...

MR DU PREEZ: Chairperson, that is a place where many taxis pass during the day so at that time during the night it was a quiet place, but during the day it's a very busy place.

MR PHAMA: We did not do anything to the young ones, we let them pass and the older people, those are the people that we shot at, but the group that was in front of them we did nothing to them. That is why I am saying that was not the very first group. If there were other people who were coming, ...

... mark come into my mind. In the middle of the night there's a van parked, his lights off, next to a stadium in a dark corner. Immediately when we pass, cars were in front of us but when our car passed they put on their lights and immediately follow us. To my mind comes up that the first thing ...

MR NYAWUZA: That issue was discussed and it transpired that Mr Nyawuza had a vehicle and he could be asked to transport us to that place. Mr Mthambo then ordered them to pass by Mr Nyawuza's home to inform them that he should take us to Ngonyameni on Friday.

ADV BIZOS: Yes, but I am talking about Mr Goosen. Mr Goosen wasn't in the room, he must have got the information from you and your colleagues in order to pass it on to his Minister, to your Minister and his Minister?

ADV GCABASHE: When did he pass away?

MR MABUZA: Just before you get to the hostel, you have to pass a few streets. The street that I have mentioned. Between Schoeman Road, the Schoeman Road was the boundary between the ANC and the IFP, we had to fight the people who were nearer to the boundary.

Only a court of law can find Doctor Basson guilty of an offence. Only a court of law can pass sentence of a fine or of a period of imprisonment that is effective. This Commission as far as I am concerned is not vested with those powers and is incompetent to make such a finding.

There was an intervention by Mr Semenya, where he complained about the process, I’ll by-pass that and go on to page 19 where I go on.

ADV MPSHE: Alright, let's pass that one. In your application this is what you have all mentioned and I will quote it because I'm talking to you now. Under paragraph 10(a) where it says: State Political Objective you achieved, amongst others you say

MR HOLDER: Well Mr de Meillon said we had to pass there, go and see how many guards there were, what arms we could get there.