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people's warExplanation Showing 361 to 380 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 15 •16 •17 •18 •19 •20 •21 •22 •23 Next Page•Last PageMEMBER OF PANEL: Mr Acting Chairperson, I would like to call upon Mrs Makiwane. Mrs Makiwane, before I can request that you can take an oath I would like to confirm the statement that you have given me. I would like to state that we are prepared to listen to your presentation so that if there are ... 3.1 They stole the vehicle (i) so as to be able to move around, (ii) to steal or rob people or institutions of weapons on a small scale and later, using these ill-gotten weapons (iii) attack bigger depots for more weapons and then (iv) arm as many people as they would have in the meantime recruited ... CHIEF MARAI: I think my mother gave in her statement. I don’t think it will differ much from what I’m going to say, because I was the one who told them everything in 1982 when I was in Lesotho. This happened at night. My brother also got hurt there. My brother was beaten that night when I ... And you said in your statement that there were other people who were also tortured in detention apart form your son and you’ve mentioned the name of Babela Ngada. Is that correct. DR ORR: Thank you chair, Agnes before we start can I just say that we've had complaints that the sound is very bad, so if you can move the microphone as close to your mouth as possible and speak into it, thank you very much. Thank you for being here, I know in terms of work commitments it's ... MR BOKABA: Chairperson, let me explain it this way. The people who went to fetch this person, was Paul van Vuuren and Joe Mamasela. We knew about this operation because we were waiting in a kombi somewhere in Mamelodi, with Dennis Selatle and Hechter. We knew about this operation at that ... 3rd Applicant's evidence was that he drove the vehicle in which Schoon and 1st Applicant went to the function at Malopo's Oog. He was not part of any of the discussions relating to this incident. On the way back he recalls 1st Applicant and Schoon discussing things about a problem. He recalls ... MS MKHIZE: Often when people approach the Commission they have specific needs in mind. Can you just tell us the kind of thing that you hope to achieve by coming to the On the next day the group armed with firearms, ammunition, hand grenades and petrol bombs attacked the King William's Town Golf Club at approximately 21H50. A year-end dinner was being held by the King William's Town Wine Circle in the dining hall and a number of people were in the bar of ... When the fight started there was a group of 11 to 12 IFP members present who had traditional weapons. He was the only person who shot anybody. He did not hear anyone ask them if they were Zulu but fired at people who were armed to protect his comrades. He later denied he heard any shots. When ... MR LAMEY: While doing street patrols in Mamelodi in order to trace these MK people, is that correct? It is therefore quite clear that the deceased was not perceived by the local people as an enemy. Although the applicant contended that he was not living in the old location and it was his first visit to this location, and he had never before this incident, seen a white man in the location, we do ... Similarly on the question of proportionality, the context must be considered, he submitted. In those days, Applicant argued, the mere suspicion that one was an informer attracted the most dire consequences, because people's lives and livelihood were at stake. An informer could thus not be ignored. "I have indicated that it was Mr Morgan Phehlane, Susan Phehlane, Edward Phehlane, Rabana Mudsi ... and a certain Mr Buda ... were the people who were supposed to be removed." MR MNGUNI: The people were killing us in such a way that it was possible for us to engage in fighting and killing them ultimately in the event of us coming across them. MS VAN DER WALT: Very well. Then you continue in paragraph 5 and state that you were there on the farm, that is when you described the activities on the farm, and you state that you thoroughly interrogated Comrade for approximately four days and he confirmed all the information that you had about ... I was taken again from the Police Station, Vuyane Police Station. They phoned Tshitale Police Station. I was taken by the Vuyane Police people to the place called next to Elim. The Tshitale police were phoned. The Vuyane police were told that I must be tied, my hands should be tied together, ... ADV GCABASHE: You are saying there were lots of people at home, your home? MS GOBODO-MADIKIZELA: I see something here in your statement which was not here before, where you mention that this Rastafarian guy kept on coming to the people and would then go back to the police and then you heard them calling out to shoot. The Rasta went to the police then came back to us and ... Both, or all these three incidents, it does appear that the applicant was in the company of a superior or of other people he regarded as his own comrades, and in execution of a mission which was tabled or which was agreed upon between the members or was the instructions, the direct instructions of ... |
