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people's warExplanation Showing 661 to 680 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 30 •31 •32 •33 •34 •35 •36 •37 •38 Next Page•Last PageMR NDZAMELA: I would like to apologise to them and I would like to add that we did not aim at certain people or certain families even though they were affected, so I'm sorry, I apologise for what happened. ADV POTGIETER: And it subsequently appeared that you were shot amongst other things? Could anybody else except the people who were in the hippo, have been responsible for shooting you? The applicant testified and confirmed his affidavit, which forms part of the record, as well as the three application forms which form part of the bundle of the documents before us. Applicant joined the PAC in 1985 whilst still a scholar. In 1991 he joined the PAC Task Force whose duties he ... could not see well because both lights were off. We could not see whether it was black people or white people. They left then. A short while afterwards we heard various gunshots, one after the other and I said there was a shooting somewhere, let us go to bed but Beulin still had not returned. ... DR RANDERA: When your brother returned to the country, did the police not start coming back again and questioning you people again? MR DE KOCK: Chairperson, when one compiles such a parcel usually, as it was in the struggle of the past, our objective was to kill someone, we didn't go out to injure people, at least not we who worked at Vlakplaas and certainly not the Commandant. What I do know is that the person who was supposed ... The applicant says that as a result of this incident, he resolved to avenge himself. Although he did not know the identity of the perpetrators, he decided to kill members or supporters of the UDF. He purchased a firearm on the 22nd of April 1990, he and his friend Beki Patrick Zwane went to a ... MR VISSER: The point is that if you observe people, you don't actually want them to know that you're doing it. CHAIRPERSON: That, if that could be done, we certainly would appreciate it because setting up a hearing like this is not an easy task. People have come from afar, at a cost and obviously we've also got an interest to get through our long list of hearings. We would very much as a panel, appreciate ... MR GOOSEN: Chairperson, as indicated, I remained in the vehicle. I simply heard the sound of the explosion, so I'm unaware which target was targeted during the explosion and whether or not people were injured. MR VENTER: My instructions given to me by Colonel Erwee was that if in our attempts to arrest these people, if some of them should escape and run in a northerly direction, then they would have come straight in our direction and we would then have to arrest them. At that time in Barkley West - Barkley West was quiet and people were not yet aware of what was happening. And sometimes I would get advice from my friends at Kimberley. They were only giving me advice on political matters and when I was at Barkley I realised that many parents at that time ... MR SANDI: Did you hear that most of the people in the statements here when describing this incident, they are saying that these children were just passing by but Buzani just decided to shoot? GEN COETZEE: Chairperson, the position was as follows. When I appeared before a Regional Commission I asked them, with respect, great respect, the Chairman at that stage was Archbishop Tutu, whether he or the legal advisors of the Commission was of the opinion that for want of a better definition, ... MR PRINSLOO: And the Sannieshof Liquor Store, the person there, Mr Pereiro says in affidavit on page 98 of the documents, that it was only done because black people attended that hotel, is that true? The Committee is aware that the IFP has consistently stated that they were not involved and did not associate themselves with violence or robberies. There is, however, abundant evidence in various applications that party members and supporters were involved in the inter-party warfare and that ... ... targets for attack in terms of this policy. These attacks were, moreover, executed in accordance with the relevant international conventions on warfare and insofar as the Applicants were concerned they were soldiers engaged in a just war for the liberation of their people from oppression. ... ADV DE JAGER: In cases during which people were killed in landmine explosions or when infiltrations took place, were you blamed or were members of the police blamed for not doing their job and seeing to the safety of the people? MR LAMEY: When you refer to "they", who are these people that you refer to? ... led to violence and killings involving people from the same villages and even members of the same family on opposing sides.. The Committee is aware of other matters where offences were committed not only with a political objective but also involving a strong personal element and carefully ... |
