DR BORAINE: Before we begin this I would just like to mention that during the tea break I met with three members of the clergy from the Roman Catholic Church, the Anglican Church and the Methodist Church. I confess that I've already forgotten their names because we meet so many people, but they are sitting towards my left. If they would just stand for the moment, I would like to greet them.

Thank you very much indeed and we do appreciate the solidarity of the Church involved in these hearings, which is part and parcel of your own ministry. Thank you very much.

The next witness is Mr Mozi Benjamin Masangane. I'll ask him to come forward please. Mr Masangane, can you hear me?

MR MASANGANE: Yes.

DR BORAINE: Thank you and you have brought somebody with you today. Could you please introduce her to the Commission?

MR MASANGANE: This is my wife.

DR BORAINE: Ah, Mrs Masangane, we are very happy to have you, and thank you very much for coming.

Mr Masangane, as you know, we usually ask one of our colleagues to assist in the telling of the story. I'm going to do that but I'm first going to ask Jasmin Sooka if she would help you to administer the oath.

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MR MOZI BENJAMIN MASANGANI: (sworn states)

DR BORAINE: Thank you, Mr Masangane, as I have told other people, you're not only talking to us, you are talking to many people in the audience and you're also talking on the radio and you may even be on television. It is very important that you speak up so that people can hear you loud and clear because you have an important story to tell.

Mr Masangani, in July 1986, your house was burned down. Can you tell us what happened, why it happened, tell us everything you know.

MR MASANGANE: IN July 1986 in the afternoon, it was about a quarter to seven. As I was sitting at home with my wife, another woman came and she said to me, "I'm asking you to leave this place now because your house is going to be burned down today". And I asked her, what happened. She said, "I don't know, and she decided to run away. She said, "they might get me here".

As I was puzzled by what she had just told me my children said, "Father please run away because you've got the message now." I didn't know what to do, I decided to stay but they said to me, "please go" and I left the house. My wife was left behind with the children.

When they arrived they were in a large number and they asked where I was. My wife said, I'm not present, and they started shattering the windows and the other one had poured petrol and the other one lit the house. The house was on fire and everything destroyed. My house was big but it was destroyed, food clothes, furniture, everything. I was left alone as I was together with my children.

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at all. The next morning when we woke up, this is not my body, I'm a heavily built man but as you see me now, I was affected since the incident, and what happened because they said they want me, and I don't know, what have I done? I still swear I don't know what wrong I have done. And I asked this other boy. I said, "Friend, do you know a place where they normally meet, I want them to tell me what happened, why did they burn my house, what have I done? And the boys said, "At about something to one, we'll come and take you to the place." These were the two boys.

And when we arrived there we found two boys and we asked them, "Where are your superiors?" They said. "No, they are not here." And they said, "Are you Mr Masangane whose house had been burned?" I said, "Yes, I am Masangane and I'm here to get clarity as to what happened that my house was burned." They said, "You are brave enough to come here, it's true that you are innocent, try by all means." It was on a Wednesday, they said, "Please try to be at school in the afternoon about seven o'clock, there will be the superiors there and they will give you a clear indication relating to the whole incident".

I decided that if I have to die, I'll just have to die because I was already dead without house and furniture and everything. At seven o'clock I was at the place I was directed to go to, I found two heavily built men, and I asked them, I said, "I am the person whose house had been burned yesterday, what have I done, what wrong have I done?" And I said, "You are the leaders of these children". They said, "Are you the owner?" I said, "Yes I am", and they said to me, "We heard people talking but we are now surprised as to why was your house burned. We are really sorry and we NELSPRUIT HEARING TRC/MPUMALANGA

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really sympathise that your house was burned without anything wrong that you have done". And they said,"We don't know how can we help you to rebuild your house". They said, "If we had money we would give you to rebuild your house". Then I said to them, "Tell me, what wrong have I done?"m The first thing that they told me was, "You are a school committee member". And they said, "You are a favourite man when it comes to the chief". And I said, "Now who elected me to be on the school board? Wasn't I elected by the parents?" They said, "Yes, the parents elected you but this was a mistake. You know, if you are well behaved in the eyes of the chief, he would praise you". Now it was a sin to be praised by the chief then and I was told that I should go back home and if the youth comes to trouble me again I should go to the superiors to report the matter.

On Wednesday the police arrived, Whiteriver policemen. They wanted to hear the whole story and they said to me, "Do you know the perpetrators?" I said, "Yes I know them, my wife told me who all was here". They went to one of them and they arrested him and we went to the court of law. And in the court of law I was made a fool because I didn't have an attorney and I was made to stand up in the court of law and I was told that the case is dismissed, go home. And that was when I left the court.

One day when I was at Church, another person came and he said, "Sir I'm coming to you to ask for forgiveness. What we did to you was really unacceptable. Please forgive me." He was crying and I cried also, I was surprised, I did not know what to say to this person. And I said to him, "Okay that's fine". And that was the end of it all. I thank you today that I am here. I'm glad that I managed to NELSPRUIT HEARING TRC/MPUMALANGA

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come and I'm glad that there are other people who value human live. This boy came to me and he asked for forgiveness. God was so great to protect my family, because my wife had a chance to take them away. I thank God because he helped me. I don't want to add, I don't want to reduce any information. I thank you.

DR BORAINE: Thank you very much Mr Masangane, you have been very clear in telling your story. I only have just one or two short questions. First, the people who came to burn your house, were they members of any political party?

MR MASANGANE: Let me say to you Sir, when I went to them they said they were the ANC.

DR BORAINE: Now can you tell me, they were upset because you were a favourite of the local chief. Now the local chief, was he not popular in those days, was he working with the Government, is that why they didn't like the chief and that's why they didn't like you?

MR MASANGANE: It was in 1986 and I cannot separate the two, but I don't know whether he was working with the Government, but what I know, I respected the chief. I didn't have anything to say to him and he didn't have anything to say to me. I was just a faithful member of the School Board and I was on the school council. He liked me for that.

DR BORAINE: Thank you, and as you say you were elected by the parents. Now when your house was burned, your wife and your children were in the house. How did they escape

from the house?

MR MASANGANE: Thank you Sir, we were still sitting, two boys were sleeping, the other one was three years old and the other one was three months. Those were my grand children. And when they arrived my wife was outside, and NELSPRUIT HEARING TRC/MPUMALANGA

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they were outside together with her when they were talking. And she said to them, "We have kids inside the house". And they said, "No we don't care, let them burn". And she ran into the house and she came out with the two children.

DR BORAINE: Thank you, now, do you, have you found another house where you and your family are living?

MR MASANGANE: The honourable Sir, at the end of the day you get a place to stay and I had a place where I could lay my head, but I don't have any money to build another house. It was a big house.

DR BORAINE: The two men who you met with at the school, you described them as well-built men. Did you know who they were, do you know what their names are?

MR MASANGANE: Sir I won't lie, because it was my first time to see them when I went to see them and I was told to meet their superiors, and that evening when I went back I just saw their superiors and I can't identify them, it was, I don't know their names.

DR BORAINE: I just wanted to find out whether you knew or not. Let me ask you a last question. You made a very interesting or important statement when you said that a young man came to you at church and asked for your forgiveness. He must have been one of those who was with the young people when they burned your house. And you said that he cried and you cried. Does that mean that you forgave him when he asked you to forgive him?

MR MASANGANE: He was the person who had petrol in his hand, he poured petrol and the other one set the house alight and when he arrived at the church I was really angry, but after listening to his story, I got peace in my heart. I asked myself, what is it that God wants to tell NELSPRUIT HEARING TRC/MPUMALANGA

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me? And I said to him, "I thank you", and I just stopped there, because I knew that he was responsible for burning my house.

DR BORAINE: Let me just try to understand. When he told you the story and he asked for your forgiveness, did you forgive him?

MR MASANGANE: It's a good question Sir. When I say to you, when he arrived, I was helpless when he asked for forgiveness. I was angry at him but at the same time I cooled off, because if I was really angry at him, if I couldn't cool off, he would have left the church in a different condition. But the church listened to him and I listened to him and the church said, "Please forgive him!" And I said, "I'm helpless because you've confessed, I'm not hating them, but they know what they were doing".

DR BORAINE: The reason why I ask the question, is because many people like you, who have been very badly hurt, have told the Commission that they don't want to hate, they want to forgive, but they want to know who to forgive and for what. Now of course, you know who to forgive and you know what you have to forgive. But it's a very hard thing to do, and I'm not going to press you on that. You have every right to forgive and not to forgive, it's not for me to tell you what to do, but I do know this, unless there is some forgiveness and some people saying sorry in South Africa, then we're going to make the same mistakes all over again. It's very important and very hard to say sorry. It's also very hard to forgive.

Thank you very much, I'm going to ask my colleagues if they have any questions. It seems that they have no questions. We have listened to you very carefully.

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We are so sorry as to what happened to you. Nobody deserves to have their house burned down and their children threatened and their wives in fear, and that's what happened to you. We have heard your requests, we will look into the matter very carefully, we cannot promise that we can do everything that you ask, but we will certainly try. And thank you very much for coming. You may leave.

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