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Transcripts for Section 2 of Episode 27
| Time | Summary | | | 14:57 | There Andy Taylor and Jerry Fourie interrogated him. They clouted him a few times. He kept on denying that he was still actively involved with the ANC in any way. They eventually decided then, Capt Andy Taylor, Jerry Fourie and the military intelligence, Major Callie Steyn to bring in an army doctor whose name is not known to me. He was in brown uniform, with a drip with a so-called truth serum. // And what kind of information was in fact obtained from mister Pillay? // It was nothing at all, it was absolutely clear to me as a bystander that this man had, was for sure not actively involved in any ANC operations any more. | Full Transcript | | 15:47 | Lucky for mister Pillay that the Swazi government insisted on his safe return. To the great embarrassment of the South African police they had to deliver him back to Swaziland. This week Joe Pillay was in Canada, but he sent the Truth Commission an affidavit detailing his treatment at the hands of the police. Dirk Coetzee made no attempt to refute it. // I mean he wasn’t given VIP treatment; that I can assure you and he would have been taunted. That’s the normal way the government goes about in it. | Full Transcript | | 16:22 | This April Charity Kondile told the Truth Commission about the disappearance of her son, Sizwe in 1981. The first time Dirk Coetzee heard the name Sizwe Kondile was in London in 1989. During lengthy debriefing by the ANC it became clear that Kondile had been one of Coetzee’s nameless victims. This week Sizwe Kondile’s family listened to the grizzly details of how he’d met his death. // I supplied the knock out drops too. I can’t remember which of his men administered it. Now, drops were administered to Sizwe Kondile in a drink whilst we were sitting around drinking ourselves, opening beer and whatever other drinks, alcohol. One of Major Archie Flemington’s men, a sergeant or a warrant, a slender built tallish man, light hair took a makarov pistol with a silencer on and whilst mister Kondile was lying on his back shot him on top of the head. There was a short jerk and that was it. The four junior non-commission officers Paul van Dyk, sergeant Jan from Col Nick van ...more | Full Transcript and References | | 18:29 | Coetzee says that the lethal knock out potion was mixed by General Luther Neethling. In the 1980s an appeal court was unable to refute or to confirm the truth of this. In a letter addressed to the Amnesty Committee this week, Neethling emphatically denied that he was involved in any way with murder. Like the Mxenge family the Kondile’s are opposed to the granting of amnesty, not just to Dirk Coetzee but to any murderer who applies. | Full Transcript | | 18:58 | My feeling is that the Act favours the perpetrators because so far the victims have not been reparated. We’ve got nothing and we’re not sure if the government will reparate us at the end of the day. | Full Transcript | | 19:14 | You have said that you would like one day to meet Mrs. Kondile and look her in the eye. // I would like to do that in future, yes sir. // Mrs. Kondile asked me to convey to you that that is an honour that she feels you do not deserve and that if you were really remorseful you would have not applied for amnesty but in fact stood trial for what you did with her son. // I honour her feelings as far as not wanting to see me. I can understand it. I would have felt exactly the same way, I suppose. And as far as the amnesty application is concerned I think the peace and reconciliation Act was constructed by all walks of lives, all parties represented and I think I’m entitled, as anyone else, not to be isolated and looked at alone in single context, but are entitled to the right of the laws of this land as any other individual that is involved. And according to those laws I applied when the amnesty came up. // Thank you, no further questions. | Full Transcript | | 20:24 | There’s no doubt that both he and his victims’ families have some difficult days ahead as they face the harshness of both truth and reconciliation. | Full Transcript | | 20:34 | PW Botha knew about Vlakplaas and its evil mission. Cabinet ministers Louis le Grange and Adriaan Vlok knew. Police commissioners Johan Coetzee and Johan van der Merwe knew, in fact it was their idea. The last National Party president, FW de Klerk says he did not know. When he appeared before the Truth Commission in August I asked him why he did not do something about Vlakplaas when he read Coetzee’s confession in November 1989. This is what he said. | Full Transcript | | 21:05 | Vlakplaas was also at a certain stage then disbanded when allegations became substantially, almost, you couldn’t prove, you could no longer say that it was just rumours and we then took steps as information came to the fore. | Full Transcript |
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