Special Report Transcript Episode 37, Section 5, Time 13:58

For record purposes my name is LGL Visser… // I only act for Gen Smit so I can only speak on his behalf… // So presently we act for 81 applicants… // Want to place this simply on record…want to place on record now …. I want to place that on record now… but what I want to do is I want to place this on record… // That is correct and I would certainly do so, my learned friend, have a look to mention that he’d given a similar undertaking. // Right now I’m not interested in that debate; I want to know whether that can be done as soon as possible. // I think that the distinction is more apparent than real. // My submission is that that also entails the right of the applicants, representatives to cross examine. // If there was a substantial dispute of fact he would not be entitled to put up an affidavit from his client. // Those persons aren’t here, we cannot cross examine them, but he has the right to cross examine the applicant. // You will have the right also to cross examine him should the facts be disputed. // We will have to be led by you at that stage… // Let’s see whether that kind of problem arises… // W for Wagner, 1, 2, 3 and 4 … // Exhibit P … // Could I just raise one very quick issue with you? // Alright… // … Totally happy… // I do not have that information…. // And I don’t think that any of us can pretend that we’ve applied our minds to interpreting every section or every phrase in the act. // Is that not a fact? // We rely on your good judgement. // We certainly don’t want to get involved in an argument about it with my learned friend. // Mister Chairman I still don’t understand, my learned friend… // As soon as I find it amongst the welter of these papers that I have before me…

Notes: Clips from Pretoria hearings

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