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Transcripts for Section 5 of Episode 40
| Time | Summary | | | 21:29 | Three members of the elite unit of the former Ciskei police asked the Committee for amnesty this week for kidnapping and torture of three women. Nomthunzi Msuthwana was one of these women. // The three men who tortured me on that day, it was Thoba, Thompson, Makom. | Full Transcript and References | | 21:55 | They were kicked, slapped and insulted by us. They were undressed and kept completely naked whilst being questioned. Is this in fact what took place? // Yes it’s the truth. // One of these ladies was ordered to lick the boots of one of the applicants, Mr. Makom and remove there from the blood that had flowed onto his boots. Is this also what took place in your presence? // Yes it is so sir. | Full Transcript | | 22:37 | That day they beat me all over my body with open hands and they pulled out my hair. They were using vulgar language. // One, she was forced to take her clothes off. Two, a motorcar inner tube was pulled around her face to cause her to suffocate. // Yes it is so, sir. // Three, she was forced to lie on her back for a substance known as isiqwabaqwaba was poured on her thighs and onto her vagina. This caused an itching and irritating effect. Burns resulted from this. // Yes it is so, sir. | Full Transcript | | 23:42 | When I was naked they were there laughing on my private parts. // I was not laughing, I had to pretend. I had to pretend that I was enjoying my job. If I had to sulk it would have repercussions. | Full Transcript | | 24:10 | The men argued that the complex political wrangle between then President Lenox Sebe and his brother Charles was the reason for the mass detentions and torture committed by the Ciskei police in the mid eighties. When Kwane Sebe, the son of the president was abducted, Lenox suspected that Charles was involved. Enormous pressure was put on the security forces to ensure the safe return of Kwane Sebe. They detained everybody, even vaguely associated with Charles Sebe. | Full Transcript | | 24:40 | Firstly Miss Msuthwana, she is a sister to Nomalungela Msuthwana, who is a girlfriend to Mr. Charles Sebe. // It is not what I did willingly. It was painful to me to do but because of the circumstances at the time. As the Ciskian police, if you did not do your job appropriately so to speak you would be detained. // I suggest to you that no one would have given you an order to treat these women in the most appalling and disgusting and inhuman manner that you did. Revolting. | Full Transcript |
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