Special Report Transcript Episode 69, Section 5, Time 37:24

Mister Joubert’s position was that had he found out that he was acting bona fide and that the operation was in fact authorized by the police chiefs. // Are you saying to this Commission that all you could do in the circumstances was simply to say this thing should never happen again? // Mister Chairman the only thing I did was not just to say it should not happen again. I created a mechanism to take control of the situation. // Did you approach the Attorney-Generals’ office with information to the effect that Gen Joubert had in a discussion with you confirmed that he had authorized the murder of an individual or individuals? // Mr. Chairman this information was already given to me that these steps had been taken when it was reported to me a few weeks after the event. // But we want to know and it’s a simple thing, if you did you did, if you did not you did not. // Mister Chairman I did not go to the Attorney-General. // And you did not seek to know from the head of the police whether in fact Gen Joubert’s understanding that there’d been authorization by the police for that operation to take place was in fact so. You did not. // Mister Chairman I might have done that, but I can’t remember those details. // If I may just come in here, General was there in fact a full inquest into those deaths? In fact you know that there wasn’t. There wasn’t an inquest at which Gen Joubert gave evidence, was there? In fact the deaths were completely covered up, isn’t that correct? // Not as far as I know Mr. Chairman. // Did Gen Joubert give evidence at an inquest into those killings? // I can’t remember Mr. Chairman. // Are you being serious that you can’t remember? You know very well that those killings were unresolved until we obtained Gen Joubert’s amnesty application a few weeks ago. Are you seriously suggesting that you don’t know whether Gen Joubert gave evidence at an open public inquest into those killings? You can’t remember? // And you are under oath, you are not on trial, but you are under oath. // Please answer the question. Are you saying that you cannot remember whether Gen Joubert gave evidence at a public inquest into this matter? // Yes Mr. Chairman. // You can’t remember. // I can’t remember. // Well, I don’t believe you.

Notes: Geldenhuys; Dumisa Ntsebeza; Geldenhuys; Glen Goosen; Geldenhuys; Dumisa Ntsebeza; Geldenhuys; Ntsebeza; Geldenhuys; Richard Lyster; Dumisa Ntsebeza; Richard Lyster

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