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Transcripts for Section 2 of Episode 73
| Time | Summary | | | 13:52 | The people were given coffee; there was a sleeping drug in it which was provided by Capt van Zyl or Lt Niewoudt. It was put in their coffee and given to them. Shortly thereafter they fell asleep and then the people were taken out of the garage one by one and they were eliminated. // Who did the shooting? // Capt van Zyl shot the first person, Lt Niewoudt the second and I shot the third. | Full Transcript | | 14:34 | Can you remember who was the person whom you killed? // I could not remember. I spoke to Lt Niewoudt yesterday, and he gave me an idea of who it could have been. // Who do you think it was? // I think it was Mr. Hashe. | Full Transcript | | 15:02 | Thereafter, what was done with the bodies of the deceased? // The wood was placed in a large pile in the backyard, the people were carried to the wood, put on top of it, // All three of them? // Yes. And it was set alight and diesel was poured over. | Full Transcript | | 15:28 | Is it your recollection that after approximately six hours the bodies had been burnt to ash? // It could have been a bit longer, it carried on the whole night. // Was the ash scraped together after that and placed in black bags? // Yes. // Is it true that Lt Niewoudt removed these bags with the ashes and reported back to you later that he had thrown the bags in the Fish River? // That’s correct. | Full Transcript | | 15:58 | Joe Mamasela, self-confessed political serial killer was one of the Vlakplaas askaris who participated in this operation. // It was brutal; it was what in Afrikaans people call ‘broekskeur.’ It was terrible. // Were they tortured? // They were tortured severely. They were savaged; they were brutalized. // And what was your role in the torture? // My role in the torture was to strangle them and stifle them so they couldn’t make enough noise. | Full Transcript | | 16:33 | It was, as I said, a very very unpleasant event in my life and I would not have been able to put them through unnecessary physical pain. // These people were high-profile people; they were learned people. They were politically active and they had no fear of the security branch, neither did they hide it. And on various occasions they confronted us. I cannot recall specific cases but if anybody had assaulted them I believe that they would have reported it. | Full Transcript | | 17:24 | Lt Niewoudt beat them up with an iron pipe into their heads so severely that … they were kicked, they were punched, they were stomped, they were jumped over their heads and they were killed. Yes, they died. They died one by one. | Full Transcript | | 17:45 | It sounds to me like a totally different incident Mr. Chairman. Mr. Mamasela was not there. // Was he one of the askaris? // I believe so, I am not a 100 percent sure, but I believe he was present. // I had no knowledge or information in that regard. | Full Transcript | | 18:08 | When you reported that death to Mr. Snyman you were speaking about something you do not have factual knowledge of, because you did not witness it - the death. // That’s correct. // I put it to you that the applicants accepted Mr. Koole and Mr. Mogoai and to a lesser extend Mr. Beeslaar did assault the leaders and the reason why they are omitting the assault is because they want the killing to seem humane. ‘We supplied them with drinks, we talked nicely to them, we gave them sleeping pills and shot them in their sleep.’ You just want to make this killing humane, not brutal as it was. | Full Transcript |
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