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WILSON, PDAge Description We found the fire arms, the two fire arms. There were three, including ours. We also took clothing and we took old coins. // The car was to be sold in Lesotho so that the money that we get from that should be used to buy arms in order to further the struggle for APLA. // So, the money remained with ... You said you would not have approved of the assassination of Mrs. Ribeiro, you would not have approved of it. You heard about it later and did nothing. So yesterday you told us you would not have approved of it. Now you are telling us, you can’t recollect, you can’t recollect, you can’t ... We’ve heard a lot of evidence about how you people went into houses and you saw some person there you didn’t know so you killed them. // [We heard such evidence] // So wasn’t it important to find out who was in a house? How many people were there? Whether there were innocent people there or ... During their criminal trial neither Gerber nor Van Eyck made mention of a political motive for the killing. This time they argued that Kganakga was stealing funds for the PAC and that in stopping him they were countering the continuing total onslaught by liberal movements against the nationalist ... What are you objecting to Mr. Mamane? // I’m objecting to him, asking the next question before the first answer is finished. // You have objected on that ground repeatedly and I think on every single occasion the applicant has confirmed that he’d already given his answer. // But on this ... That concludes today’s hearing, we will now adjourn. // After the formal proceedings were over an extraordinary and utterly informal meeting took place in the empty city hall. You were there to protect not to attack, not to kill. // Yes it is so sir. // Again the Committee refused amnesty saying this was a case of mob violence falling outside the provisions of the Act. Our newspaper’s staffs were generally too white and in the critical editorial area black staff began to be introduced on any serious scale only during the 1970s. It’s also our view that our company’s newspapers made insufficient attempts to generate news from disadvantaged communities and we ... Yes what worries me is that it appears from your evidence and Brigadier Cronje’s that you were more interested in using this dangerous man Tsele as bait to get terrorists into his house than in eliminating him. That is the tenor of the evidence you both have given. // That may have been so, but ... Mbane’s testimony was at times confusing. // You wanted to do it. // First of all I didn’t know that those people were going to be shot, because when I went to there to show Bellingam that point we were going to, they didn’t tell me that they were going to shoot them. They didn’t tell me ... When he was released he was a wheelchair case. // That is correct. // At the time of his death he was still hobbling around with the aid of a stick, he couldn’t walk properly. // That is correct. // Is this the man that you considered so potentially dangerous as an activist that he should be ... She got shot in the forehead, she was not rioting but the police had been patrolling around. I see my case as a political one. It is because of the meetings we were attending and the decisions taken there. Yes, I played a role because we were told that we should defend ourselves should we be attacked. // The instructions he gave you, as I understand them and as you wrote out in your ... There was what seemed to be a very determined effort to humiliate and undermine Bram. The man who was in charge of their section, a man called Du Preez, seemed to take particular delight in trying to humiliate him. He cut Bram’s hair short, he made Bram wear clothes that were far too big for him; ... You were there to protect not to attack, not to kill. // Yes it is so sir. // Can you explain how you can possibly think you were protecting anybody when these four people were being beaten by a vast crowd? Why should it be necessary for you to join in beating them with an iron rod? A man approached us raising his arms and he was talking in Xhosa saying that he’ll take us to where the rest of the group is. One sergeant from the riot unit, he was a white sergeant, said I should shoot this man. And before I shot this man, as he was raising his arms I saw his firearm, and ... There was what seemed to be a very determined effort to humiliate and undermine Bram. The man, who was in charge of their section, a man called Du Preez, seemed to take particular delight in trying to humiliate him. He cut Bram’s hair short, he made Bram wear clothes that were far too big for ... We expected to find, at this house, to find terrorists there who would be over nighting there. The target would be eliminated due to the fact that it was necessary to prevent the passage of terrorists across the border. These terrorists were at that stage responsible for hand grenade explosions, ... We intend only to go into the point itself placing our client’s version to the different applicants and showing them certain documents which relate directly to the incident itself. We certainly do not go further than that. // Your client’s version is completely contradictory to theirs. Do you ... ... are asking for amnesty for more than 40 acts of murder or torture. The Committee who has to decide their fate consists of Judge Mall, Judge Wilson, Judge Mwepe, Attorney Sisi Khampepe and Advocate Chris de Jager. The five policemen say all the human rights violations they’re guilty of ... |
