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A-Team (Chesterville, Durban)Explanation I was then seconded to the newly formed Intelligence Unit of the Security Police under the command of Craig Williamson. He tasked me with the gathering of a team, laying out the logistic requirements for the planting of an explosive device and the denotation thereof at the ANC and SACP offices in ... We are just sorry that your mum couldn't come before the Commission to speak to us. Please tell her that we are together with her. I am going to mix languages, English and Sesotho. I hope we will understand each other. Can we go back and tell us a little bit about Lefu. How was he? What kind ... MR VISSER: You worked with him, he was your leader, he was your handler, he was your, what do you call it, team leader, Mr Motsamai, your team leader, was he not? MR JOUBERT: On page 16, in the second-last paragraph you deal with a so-called Counter-Revolutionary Intelligence Team, or so-called Trevits, what were the primary tasks of Trevits? MR SEMENYA: And we have already heard there was then a decision to form a football team? MR MPOFU: ... at this time did you ever tell anybody in the legal team that represented you that your, there was another version? In other words, that there was the truth, but this is what is to be said. We're going to be starting with a submission from the General Council of the Bar and I would like to welcome Advocate Jules Browde and his team who are presenting for the Bar Council. I'm going to ask you to begin. Before we do I'm going to ask Mr Malan to administer the oath please. Mr Callaghan, we move onto the next incident, if you go to page 4 on Annexure A, do you see that this is an incident that deals with the two SWAPO members, these are the two SWAPO insurgents that were captured, tortured, and prisoners were then murdered by members of the Koevoet team? COMMISSIONER: Good. Thank you very much. Sorry about that. You are from Umlazi township, but you have come to tell us today about experiences in Chesterville, where you were harassed and intimidated by members of the A-Team in Chesterville. Before you give that evidence I'd like to ask you to ... MR ZEELIE: Chairperson, the documentation that I have, that I gave to the TRC Investigating team, this was basically where explosions took place, it was not where people were necessarily arrested. I went through some of those documents. Questions were put to me and I do not believe that from that ... MR WILLS: I've heard and possibly you'll be in a position to confirm this, that at the time the arrests were going on of the other people, or should I rather say, from the time of the arrests of the other persons that occurred from the 13th onwards, sorry the 12th onwards and you were, and there ... MR WILLIAMSON: Not specifically, Mr Chairman, but in general, and I think also if we talk about a meeting it may be slightly misleading in the sense that it might be thought that there was just a formal briefing or meeting, but it was more than that. I remember we got together in the apartment and ... So we began to talk to Mr Siakamela and ask him about the events relating to the disappearance of Mr Lolo Sono. He told us a version which to all intents and purposes corroborated large sections of Mr Nicodemus Sono's testimony to the fact that he had taken Lolo Sono in a badly beaten state from ... MR McPHERSON: Mr de Kock was at the airport and it was there that he was questioned for approximately three hours by British Intelligence regarding his bona fide reasons for entering the country as a tourist or whichever cover-up he was using and they wanted to know why they should grant him a ... The other context was that, part of the context was they knew Ndaba hadn't been involved, on their own, in intelligence gathering operations since 1998. The other important context, and I submit this is an extremely relevant factor, is the fact that the negotiation process was taking place and I ... MR CORNELIUS: You provided your full co-operation after you submitted your application, as well as with the investigation team of the Attorney-General. The first witness to testify is Thami Hlatswayo. Order, please. The witness is on my left and on that panel there, formidable, are lawyers who will be representing witnesses, and in front there is Mrs Winnie Madikizela-Mandela and her legal team. And over there are the TRC, Hanif and his team. MR HATTINGH: And apart from the limitations which exist in this regard, at the time when you prepared your application you also gave your co-operation to an Attorney-General team with regard to an investigation that they were busy with? MR TAYLOR: It often occurred that one was part of an investigation team and that during the course of that investigation, for instance, various suspects were arrested and detained. ...[indistinct] which we were exposed to, I had almost empathy for and could understand and comprehend why certain ... MR VISSER: And were you present when the TRC Investigating team went to look for this place? |
