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A-Team (Chesterville, Durban)Explanation Showing 201 to 220 of 843 First Page•Previous Page 7 •8 •9 •10 •11 •12 •13 •14 •15 Next Page•Last PageWe thank Sollie Terblanche and his team for supplying the sound which has enabled you to hear the proceedings and we thank you to hear the team of interpreters who have allowed you to hear it in your own language. They carry out very demanding work, very tiring and very important and we thank them ... And I need to say that we do not and cannot address you fully on what took place in the programme because we do not know. That is for you to decide. Nor can we address you fully on what are the issues that are going to come before you. Nor what matters will be the subject of cross-examination by ... MR VERMEULEN: The team that moved out with us, Mr Chairperson. MR WILLIAMSON: No, Mr Chairman, it isn't incorrect. As I have already said about the so-called final briefing, it was not merely a final briefing in that everybody sat and heard everything. We were gathered in a flat and there were various discussions, there was a briefing by the Brigadier and as ... MR VAN DER WALT: I think that when the further revelations came to light in 1993, 1994, I am not sure exactly when, there was an investigating team from Judge Goldstone who visited me at my home, and I denied everything at that stage as well. MR BIZOS: Ja. Tell me, was Mr Beneke at, part of the interrogation team of Biko? "Deception on a spectacular scale is precisely what happened in this case. In consequence the first, and perhaps only, opportunity to hold individuals in senior positions accountable for attempts to eliminate political opponents by violent means has been lost. Furthermore, serious allegations are ... Secondly I would like to draw the committee's attention to the Caprivi hearing where Mr Maritz and Mr Penzhorn appeared and there the committee allowed the defence to have submissions which would commence with the attorney, switching to the senior counsel and then finally being concluded by the ... MR ZEELIE: That is correct, Mr Chairperson, but there was talk, or we were told that we were not supposed to talk to anybody and then the bomb exploded and it was via my wife that I was told that I had to be at my house at a certain stage and then members of the Amnesty Committee, from the ... This is what the Chairman tried to explain. I want to give you the full picture. Now, here Captain Kleyn jumps from a vehicle - he confronts those people. The same people known to members of this team, who you were commanding, they identified them as the attackers. And suddenly he started ... CHAIRPERSON: Well what he did say was that he could do investigations but when it came to an arrest he operated on -he always operated on an instruction, he didn't use his discretion to arrest people, that's all. He said with regard to investigations he was part of the investigating team. I don't ... When the internal supporters of the ANC/SACP alliance were not able to succeed by means of methods we've already mentioned to promote mass participation in the armed struggle then they used intimidation to a great extent. Moderate people in the black townships lived in fear and they were forced ... MR STEYN: That's correct. On this occasion it was ordered or I received an order that a national investigating team should be put together and that the matter should be investigated thoroughly to be able to reveal everything in respect of this operation, but that in all probability and due to the ... MR VISSER: Then there's also the matter of the transgression of the international borders and customs control legislation and also the offences with regard to the possession, use and transport of arms and ammunition which was used by the team, is that correct? ADV PRINSLOO: And is it correct that subsequent to investigation, there was a group of persons from the ANC who had entered the country as an assassin team that you had identified and which was convicted and became known later as the S v Obet Msina & Others? ... (transcriber's interpretation) "... this weapon is required to ensure the credibility of a team who will be responsible for the infiltration at a group ANC terrorists in the Port Natal area." MR OLIFANT: Well the team consisting of Capt Liesk and others, Capt Liesk could fluently speak English but the other investigating officers, they had a problem with English. MR VISSER: Ms Miller, I am not going to argue about that, we were not, we are not an investigation team with access to these things, you are. Mr van Heerden, you've applied for amnesty and you've given your full co-operation to the investigative team of the TRC. May I also bring the apology of Professor Magwaza, who was supposed to be with us here. We are supposed to be a team of four, and because of the work in the office we had to excuse Professor Magwaza to attend some of the assignments in the office so that we could come here ourselves. |
