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ANC campsExplanation ... should I go back to Mrs Mandela and speak to her about my son? I had fear but at the same time I thought maybe Lolo is somewhere in Zambia in the ANC camps or something, but I stayed with this matter as it is, and in January 1989, the beginning of January, I did have courage and I said I’m ... MS PILLAY: Mr Gevers, what is your knowledge of the Quatro camps? MR KRIEL: And after that you did camps for about 10 years, is that correct? MR SMIT: That is correct yes. From time to time the Generals in Staff as well as Terreblanche would travel through the country. They would meet people at training camps, look at their ammunition, food supplies, etc. MR WILLS: Now can you tell the members of the community and the Committee what - after you became an IFP member - what were the demands made on you as an individual as regards attending camps and going to meetings? The second of the three forces was the ANC, with its training camps inside and outside the country, and publicly they proclaimed to make the country ungovernable. It was not my intention to do this, if I had had experience nobody would have been hurt. That experience I only gained later in the camps and when I learned about various kinds of arms and ammunition. And what I feel is that I would like to apologise for the deceased’s family and people in ... actually the females but the trouble is they were pregnant most of the time. And then he indicated that there was a bit of a problem in the refugee camps where they are breeding too fast. These were the reasons he gave and he had already done his homework, he came with a little book written by ... forefront of the struggle and there was a time when the government recruited young people by the thousands from a lot of the Black townships, to camps that were all expenses paid by government, inviting Evangelical Pastors and Evangelists to proclaim the gospel to these young people as a ... What are we going to do about this? And we should look at this seriously, that was 1985. And thereafter we were not happy at Nyanga Bush. Policemen were harassing us, we don't know how they knew the boundaries of camps, but they would surround it. And of course assault begins at the arrest stage. Interrogation follows and that could take place either in army camps, under the control of the South African Defence Force or in prison cells by the members of the SAP particularly the Security Police. MR GQOMFA: Yes, you are educated about politics in the camps. ... facts and spread rumours and lies. It is surprising to us that before we even present our case, the TRC is already talking about murders in our camps. If this is not a deliberate attempt to criminalise the Azanian People's Liberation Army, then what is it? It is shocking to note that such ... MR ABRAHAMSE: It's not only a perception, I'm going to qualify that further Mr Chair. In the first instance in March 1985 they blew up by car bomb Mr Roger Nkadimeng, that was March 1980 and it was a complete over-kill, a complete over-kill. I mean that was in Gaberone yes, in a block of flats. ... MR ABRAHAMSE: It's not only a perception, I'm going to qualify that further Mr Chair. In the first instance in March 1985 they blew up by car bomb Mr Roger Nkadimeng, that was March 1980 and it was a complete over-kill, a complete over-kill. I mean that was in Gaberone yes, in a block of flats. ... ADV DLAVANE: It is clear now from your explanation that yourself, yourself I mean the self-defence unit or the ANC Youth League were in two opposing camps with David Mayeko. And I believe with what they were doing to Khutsong, as a result thereof there was no more peace and stability and all that, ... MR BERGER: There were 4 ANC people in Lubango. That was the only ANC presence in Lubango. If you are talking about other camps in Angola that is far from Lubango. We are talking about Lubango. Precisely what was happening is that there were two camps, the two camps did not only exist in so far as the Civic movement was concerned, the two camps existed beyond the Civic movement, they existed in the Student bodies, in the Trade Unions, everywhere. It deals with the period 1976 to 1980, when the first camps were set up in Angola by the ANC and there it says in paragraph 3.7, Angola was a special case. It was considered a military zone because of the war in the country. MR ISMAIL: Well, basically I was appointed by the SACP to look at the activities of the cells in the camps and to advise on, to recruit other people into the SACP, to ensure that there were political discussions amongst the cells of the SACP inside of the camp. |
