Special Report Transcript Episode 63, Section 3, Time 17:11

We were over 60 in number I don’t remember exactly however, we grouped into two. The others had to attack one of the homesteads nearby. // We started… we hit the door, there was a hew in the door and we used it to hack the door. The door opened and we shot at the people and we also stabbed them with their spears and … One of them died instantly next to the rondavel; that was a person who had multiple stab wounds because he was stabbed by most of the people. // We continued and we were going back. When passing Matabeng on our way back, we passed the first homestead. We found women; we didn’t do anything to them. However, on the second family we found women, we injured those women. // We were not killing women, we were killing young men. I intended to kill these ANC young members, because these were the people who were attacking us.

Notes: TRC testimony: Mduduzi Gumbi (Amnesty applicant); TRC testimony: Robert Zuma (AA); Mduduzi Gumbi; Robert Zuma