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Transcripts for Section 2 of Episode 76
| Time | Summary | | | 52:08 | Then former security policeman Paul Erasmus told the Commission that during the late 1980s and early 1990s there was a disinformation and dirty tricks campaign against Madikizela-Mandela. // Using the existing intelligence STRATCOM network I turned a massive information or negative propaganda on a wide variety of matters. As a basis for this disinformation I relied on intelligence reports including surveillance reports, telephone tappings, postal interceptions, hearsay and rumours and the media. President Mandela was the obvious target but due to his impeccable integrity it was difficult to target him in a STRATCOM sense and personally. We however put out the message that it had little control over the radical ANC cadres and SDU’s. There was a power struggle within the ANC hierarchy. He was going senile and had little control over his wife who was running rampant in the townships with the football club who inter alia intimidated the local population. The security branch questioned ...more | Full Transcript and References | | 53:42 | Erasmus agreed that his dirty tricks campaign had nothing to do with the allegations of assault, disappearance and murder that were the subject of this week’s hearing. Everyday a handful of the Winnie faithful demonstrated and sang outside the hall, reminding us the Winnie Madikizela-Mandela still has friends. | Full Transcript | | 54:03 | It was war and when there’s war you kill if a person is violating you or violating your principles. // Viva Winnie Mandela, viva! | Full Transcript | | 54:20 | Evidence on the murder of Dr Abubaker Asvat will now only be heard on Monday. That will include the dramatic statement by one of the convicted killers, Zakhele Mbatha that he got the murder weapon from the hands of Winnie Mandela. On Tuesday, the so-called coach of the football club and the man who was convicted of killing Stompie Seipei, Jerry Richardson will testify. He has said on this programme that he killed Stompie Seipei and Koekie Zwane on the orders of Winnie. Richardson has denied that he was a police informer, but many people do not believe him. It is one of the interesting aspects of this saga: Richardson was possibly a police informer. The Crisis Committee said Katiza Cebekhulu worked with the police and army. Winnie Mandela accused Stompie Seipei and Lolo Sono of being police spies. How did it happen that Madikizela-Mandela was completely surrounded with police agents, or was she? Was it maybe not simply the paranoia of the time? On Tuesday afternoon Winnie Mandela ...more | Full Transcript | | 56:22 | I want to say to Mrs. Mandela, because I’ve not only known Mrs. Mandela for years, I deeply admired her and respected her. The Cachalia and Mandela families go back a long way and as I sit here I’m deeply conflicted. There’s one part of me which wants to in a sense go over and to hug you and to say, let’s walk away from all of this because it’s a bit of a bad nightmare. But there’s another part of me which says that we actually cannot go forward unless there’s some level of accountability. I think it would be helpful for your own relationship with the whole community if you are able to bring it within your heart to take the Commission into your confidence when you do finally have the opportunity to testify. | Full Transcript |
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