| Time | Summary | |
| 18:22 | That is ridiculous. | Full Transcript |
| 18:26 | Finkie Msomi died when the Mandela Football Club attacked the home of her aunt, Dudu Chili. The attack was in retaliation for the death of one of the football club members. | Full Transcript and References |
| 18:36 | Why would I order the burning of the house of Dudu Chili? I had absolutely nothing against her. I hadn’t seen her for years and when I did know her, she is one of the women I had worked closely with. I had great respect for her. | Full Transcript |
| 18:54 | Koekie Zwani Miya was Zindzi Mandela’s best friend and a regular at the Mandela home. Jerry Richardson says he killed Koekie on Madikizela-Mandela’s orders after allegations that she was an informer. | Full Transcript and References |
| 19:07 | Anyone who believes in the evidence led by Jerry Richardson I have a serious problem with. | Full Transcript |
| 19:16 | Leratodi Ikaneng is one of the few people who lived to tell the tale of Jerry Richardson and the Mandela United Football Club’s murder sprees. // I thought I was going to be shot. But at a later stage I discovered that they do not have a gun. Amongst these men, there was another one who was trying to dismantle the garden shears and it came into two pieces and … pointed at one guy to come and stab me. But this guy refused and Jerry took the garden shears himself and stabbed me on the chest. // Did he stab you anywhere else? // Where I’m pointing [throat]. | Full Transcript and References |
| 20:00 | Ok, Mr. Ikaneng, Mr. Mekgwe, Mr. Mono, Mr. Demsi, Mr. Kgase, Mr. Morgan, Mr. Richardson, Ms Falati have all conspired to lie and implicate you. Is that what I’m understanding you to mean? // They have lied sir. | Full Transcript |
| 20:22 | But Jerry Richardson’s credibility as a witness was undermined this week when he confessed to being a police informer. | Full Transcript |
| 20:28 | The doctor who had to examine Stompie, Katiza and some of the other kidnapped boys, Abubaker Asvat, was also the Mandela family doctor. Asvat was shot dead at his surgery on January 27, 1989. Before the killing Winnie and Zindzi regularly had supper with the Asvat’s on Friday nights. After the murder Winnie and her club attended the funeral, but never visited the house again. | Full Transcript and References |
| 20:54 | I had a very close relationship with Dr Asvat. He was not only my doctor when I was in Brandfort, he visited me frequently. | Full Transcript |
| 21:04 | Thulani Dlamini and Zakele Cyril Mbatha were arrested shortly after the murder; charged, tried and sentenced for the killing of Dr Asvat. Mbatha and Dlamini testified that Winnie gave them the gun with which they killed Asvat. | Full Transcript |
| 21:19 | We drove off to Dr Asvat’s surgery and the driver and myself parted ways, we waited for them to be removed from the place or to disappear from the place. We went into the surgery and we carried out the instruction that was given to us earlier on. | Full Transcript and References |
| 21:44 | We have heard here the evidence of the killers, Dlamini and Mbatha who on one version would say that they committed the murder on Dr Asvat at your instructions. Had you met Mbatha before? // I actually saw them for the first time here. // Had you met Dlamini before? // I had never met any of them. | Full Transcript |
| 22:16 | The request that I want to make is that in all that I have done I did it because I was tempted by a very clever person who was older than me. And after such a long time that the Asvat family has been troubled, wanting to know as to the circumstances surrounding their relative, their father or their family’s death, not getting any truth from anyone. And I thank the good lord that he has kept me to such time that I found this opportunity to come clean and ask for forgiveness to all those persons that I have wronged, especially the people who are affected or were affected by my deeds. And I’m free now that I have spoken the truth. I have come before this Commission, I’m free. Thank you. // Can we have a five minute adjournment? | Full Transcript |
| 23:58 | Fred Dempsey, Henk Hesslinga and HT Moodley are the three policemen who investigated the Asvat murder. They were asked why they had never questioned Madikizela-Mandela over the killing. In spite of Mbatha and Dlamini’s statements implicating her. | Full Transcript and References |
| 24:13 | Could you tell me whether any approach was made to Mrs. Madikizela-Mandela too obtain a statement from her? // It was so, we did that. I tried to make a telephonic appointment with Mrs. Mandela but I couldn’t succeed in doing so. I visited her house one evening and she was not at home. The person who opened the door told me that she was not at home. I got the impression that she was trying to avoid me. | Full Transcript and References |
| 24:45 | The Commission also pressed the policemen on their apparent lack of thoroughness in all investigations relating to Madikizela-Mandela. // Could you tell me why further efforts weren’t taken to perhaps try and locate more witnesses or other evidence to corroborate the information that you had already received? // It was important to us to discover Mrs. Mandela at home on the scene, but during the investigation I experienced many problems. As soon as one mentioned Mrs. Mandela and her soccer team it was as good as switching off a light and the people just refused to testify. | Full Transcript |
| 25:30 | Witnesses’ refusal to testify almost became a problem for the TRC when fresh allegations of intimidation arose on Monday. | Full Transcript |
| 25:38 | There are a number of ex-MK people who’ve arrived now. Mr. Dlamini is feeling intimidated by these young men and Mr. Mbatha as well and this may be the reason why he’s reluctant to talk right now. // After we heard that there could be some form of intimidation or threats against your person or your family we as the Commission decided that we are not going to tolerate that type of behaviour or threats. | Full Transcript |
| 26:20 | Late Thursday afternoon an undercurrent of this whole drama came to the surface: Madikizela-Mandela’s political ambition to become the deputy president of the ANC and of South Africa. // Is there an opinion by a section of our country about the nomination of yourself to the deputy presidency of the African National Congress in December? // Yes that is true. As a matter of fact, as far as I was concerned the subpoena could have been served last year, it could have been served many, many moons ago and the unhealthy coincidence in my mind that this must happen a few days before the National Conference, to me, suggest it is part and parcel of that agenda. A whole lot of other things which are not necessarily connected to this Truth Commission hearing happened and it has been a common culture that every time we are nearing some event, some national event which is connected with the African National Congress, things such as this would happen. | Full Transcript and References |
