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A-Team (Chesterville, Durban)Explanation The first witness to testify is Thami Hlatswayo. Order, please. The witness is on my left and on that panel there, formidable, are lawyers who will be representing witnesses, and in front there is Mrs Winnie Madikizela-Mandela and her legal team. And over there are the TRC, Hanif and his team. MR VAN RENSBURG: Now General Ramushwana testified that at the time, there was an investigation or an interrogation team selected to investigate the bombings. The question is were you part of that investigation team? ADV MPSHE: In other words you must tell the version that Samuel Kanaga took you, that is the investigating team to Hammanskraal, to Daveyton and showed you certain places. Is that what you were told to say? MR MTHWANA: What I know is about the A Team, who were opponents of the political organisation in the area. MR BOTHA: I will answer again if you will give me the opportunity. I stated to the investigating team that I had to detonate the bomb and that is what I've stated. I would not want to defend Mr Pienaar in this instance and say that he was not there. And as we move forward there will be another incident that Mr Fourie has told me about at a stage and where the indications were that Mr Pienaar was involved there. And even this information I gave to the ... The first thing I did, Mr Chairman, was to make an assessment as to whether it was practically possible to carry out an attack on the ANC headquarters in London. Once I had done that in the positive sense, had ascertained that I believed that it was possible, I then had to formulate a team that ... MR BESTER: I just want to tell you, let me just rectify this. The period we are referring to was in '85 and I was part of an investigative team which had not yet been sub-divided. It was Colonel Ben, Sergeant van Wyk, myself, Constable Strydom. I think that these were the people. ANSWER:: I was Mr Chairperson, amongst others Almond Nofomela and David Tshikalanga and I can't remember exactly which of the other team members were present. For the purpose of the operation a Valiant motor car was made available to me and a black police member of the Ladybrand Security Branch ... MR PRINSLOO: Honourable Chair, Committee members, during the postponement granted until two o'clock this afternoon, we want to place on record first of all that R4 provided by Mr Bizos and his team to us, we do not recognise this document, it was not part of any of the discussions of the 4th of ... MR HATTINGH: Very well, we will not dwell upon that any further. You were in the service to the State when you made the information about this incident available to the Investigating Team? MR MANAGA: It's because I know that he was in the Security, and most of the people who were in the Security which I know were in the interrogating team, I can't say they didn't assault them. That's why I am saying what I did. But I can't really recall, but he was also involved in the Security ... MS VAN DER WALT: You were also asked if you thought that Mr Van Loggerenberg could dispose of quite a heavy body and why you gave him alone this instruction. What was the situation before in his career, if you gave him instructions, did he work with a team or what was the situation, did he work on ... MR NIEUWOUDT: Your Honour, I had a team, approximately more then ten White people and each then had Black colleagues who worked with them. So I would suggest approximately 20 people at that stage, if not more. CHAIRPERSON: Are you adopting Mr Peyaga as part of your legal team. ADV BOOYENS: Page 12, paragraph 8, there you refer to a special investigation team which was established by Dr Alexander. We now turn to the question of the weight to be attached to the evidence of Mr Peter Jones which was introduced to establish a system of maltreatment of Biko and Jones by the security police interrogation team. In this regard it is important to note that although Jones was generally a credible ... MR DLAMINI: What I know about that organisation is that although they were a soccer team, they were also involved in killing our members. MR BOOYENS: Who would have been the commanding, in command of the investigation or interrogation team? CHAIRPERSON: Welcome to your legal team as well. Before we take your testimony, I am going to ask you just to take the oath. |
