| Time | Summary | |
| 18:50 | When she orders you, you do it. Winnie had that strong African medicine. You can’t look her in the eyes. When you talk with her, you need to put your head down. You know, you feel scared, she is strong. Everybody’s afraid of her. | Full Transcript |
| 19:10 | Paul Verryn gave Katiza refuge. // I stayed in his house. I used to sleep with these other boys. So after about two days I complained to Paul that I was not sleeping good with these other boys. So then Paul suggested that I come and sleep in his bedroom. So I sleep in Paul’s bed wearing my underwear and Paul wears his pyjamas. He didn’t do nothing. Early in the morning I woke up and went outside and cried. Paul said what happened. I didn’t say nothing I didn’t talk. Paul went inside. When Paul had gone I told Xoliswa Falati Paul’s housekeeper, that he raped me. | Full Transcript |
| 20:04 | The housekeeper contacted her friend, Winnie Mandela and took Katiza to see her. // Mrs. Mandela pretended that she didn’t know me. I pretended that I didn’t know her. She said. Tell me what happened. I explained that I was staying with Paul Verryn and that at night he raped me. So Mrs. Mandela asked the housekeeper. Do you think the other boys in the house are being sodomised by Paul Verryn? She agreed and said yes, name them – Stompie, Kenny Kgase, Pelo Mekgwe, Thabiso Mono. | Full Transcript and References |
| 20:52 | Winnie’s sting was now in full flow. Football club members were sent to abduct the youths from Verryn’s church on the 29th of December 1988. With the others, he was hustled through the house to rooms here in Winnie’s back courtyard. Among the youths was the 14 year old activist Stompie Moketsi. They were met by Winnie. | Full Transcript |
| 21:23 | She said. You dogs, do you sleep with the white reverend? Do you let him fuck you, you dogs? Stompie you work with the police you”re a spy. So Mrs. Mandela started to beat them. | Full Transcript |
| 21:37 | She was the first one to start beating us one by one with fists. She asked us to come to her one by one and asked you. Why are you sleeping with the white reverend? And then the minute you said you wanted to answer, then she start beating you. So we were screaming a lot and they were singing while we were being beaten. Mrs. Mandela began to sjambok us; we were sjambokked for quite a long time. | Full Transcript and References |
| 22:23 | I took part in the beating. I didn’t hit him too much. Why me? If I don’t hit they would hit me too. | Full Transcript |
| 22:31 | Katiza took the sjambok and he hit me on the head with the back of the sjambok. One guy came in with a big bottle of Coca Cola and hit us on our knees. By then we had already confessed to being raped by the white reverend, because we couldn’t afford the beating any longer. | Full Transcript |
| 23:04 | I then Xoliswa handed the sjambok (whip) to Mrs Mandela, and she whipped, whipped Stompie…We were singing freedom songs so that the neighbours could not hear the noise and Stompie crying. Mrs Mandela and Richardson lifted Stompie and dropped him several times on the concrete in Mrs Mandela’s back room. They hit him on the back and on the head until the head goes soft. And the eyes went small, and he was bleeding all here. Mrs Mandela whipped Stompie until the sjambok (whip) broke, until Stompie fainted. | Full Transcript |
| 24:00 | The next day, leaving Stompie and the others at her house, Winnie drove with Katiza to see her friend and personal doctor, Abubaker Asvat. The date, the 30th of December 1988, is of critical importance in this story. Dr Asvat, a radical activist ran a clinic in Soweto. For her sting against Verryn to succeed Winnie needed Dr Asvat’s help. | Full Transcript |
| 24:35 | Dr. Asvat said: Well, what can I do? Being visited by big people like this. He made it a joke. We laughed. She said. Doctor, I have a problem. This boy has been sodomised by Paul Verryn. The doctor said. Oh really? Come inside. So the doctor he only checked my blood. | Full Transcript |
| 24:59 | Asvat said there was no physical evidence of rape. When he refused to collude with Winnie a row ensued. | Full Transcript |
| 25:06 | So there was some arguing. Somebody said loud. No, I’m not going to do this. So we went without the medical reports. Dr Asvat said he could do nothing. So we went home without the medical report. | Full Transcript |
| 25:24 | Without the medical certificate police would not act against Paul Verryn and without a police investigation Winnie could not discredit him. // Well it was as if there was a quite specific plan to eliminate me, if not my physical person certainly to eliminate any cause for me to carry on being. So, it was like killing somebody and then forcing them to carry on living their life. | Full Transcript |
| 26:04 | Back at Winnie’s, Stompie and the other terrified youths were under guard. The effects of the previous night’s beatings were seen by Katiza. | Full Transcript |
| 26:18 | Stompie could not see. The eyes were small, the head was soft. He asked for water to drink. I wanted to give him a cup, but he couldn’t even hold the cup. Mrs. Mandela said. Give them nothing. You should not give them food; you should not give them water. | Full Transcript |
| 26:38 | She contacted Dr Asvat again and sent the boys to be patched up at his surgery. A close friend of Dr Asvat was Reggie Jana. He reveals for the first time his private conversations with his friend, also known as Hurley. | Full Transcript |
| 27:00 | Stompie was in such pain that he was bitter towards Winnie Mandela and according to Hurley he said, Stompie says, that fucking bitch and the henchmen. He says they beat me to this pulp. | Full Transcript |
| 27:20 | Asvat told Winnie there was nothing he could do. Stompie and the other youths must be taken to hospital immediately. Winnie refused and the next day she summoned Asvat to her house. | Full Transcript |
| 27:33 | When Hurley arrived at Winnie’s residence and saw the four youngsters, he was shocked you know that their condition had deteriorated so badly. | Full Transcript |
